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Jodie Brown, a marketing agency owner, educator, podcaster, and luxury retreat host, has found her sweet spot helping coaches and educators get noticed and create content that not only builds their brands but also delivers results and reaches the right audience.
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Jodie shares her entrepreneurial journey in the hair industry, where she learned how to build a successful business by mastering marketing from the ground up. Now, she focuses on helping creative entrepreneurs, coaches, and educators excel at content creation, develop strong brand identities, and build businesses they love.
We also discuss how she balances running a content marketing agency with hosting international luxury retreats, offering transformative experiences for her clients.
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Speaker 1:
So if you have started out your business and the current business that you’re running now doesn’t really look anything like the previous business that you started and you’re wondering like maybe right now you’re navigating a few twists and turns, you’re going to like this guest’s story. Her name is Jodi. She’s a marketing agency owner. She’s a marketing educator, podcaster and international luxury retreat host. Emphasis on international we love international and. I love retreats.
Speaker 2:
I love luxury.
Speaker 1:
You love luxury. This is a perfect guest, a good match. She specializes in helping coaches and educators refine their messaging, play to their strength and create marketing strategies that feel good and, most importantly, work effectively. Jodi found her sweet spot helping coaches and educators get visible and create content that not only builds their brands but also gets results and reaches the right people. Her mission is to help creative entrepreneurs, coaches and educators master content creation. Learners, coaches and educators master content creation, develop strong brand identities and build businesses they love. That’s important. That’s important, right, jamie? It is. I think so. If you cannot see us on YouTube yet, get to the link in the description below and watch this episode, because I got.
Speaker 1:
Jamie back. It’s been a while, I feel like. Yeah, I’ve been kind of in and out with trips and kids and life, kids and trips and life Jodi, thank you for being on this episode Welcome.
Speaker 3:
Thank you for having me. I’m super excited to be here and I can totally relate to the trips and kids conversations. Oh yeah, oh yeah. How so excited to be here.
Speaker 1:
Cool, cool. Well, thanks for this bit of time and in the next episode, dear listener, just so you know what’s going on, jodi has agreed to share with us the trends that she’s seeing on Instagram. For example, right now, in 2025, is repurposing your long form podcast or YouTube content into Instagram really working that well? Or is creating content natively for Instagram working better? And if you feel like you’re a slave to the algorithm, she has some hacks about how to get away from that. So you’re going to want to watch the next episode. All you have to do is click in the show notes below. But for this one, jodi, let’s start out with a very simple question what does your business look like right now? Before we go back in time to the highlights of building your business and those more challenging character building moments where the business built you, and don’t we all have lots of those.
Speaker 3:
So, as my business looks right now, I have a content marketing agency, so we help educators and coaches and personal brands kind of build their brand through social, with a kind of unorthodox, creative approach. And then I also, like you mentioned, host retreats. So we host retreats in Europe predominantly. We posted in Spain. Our third Italy retreat is coming up in 2025. And so that’s kind of what we do on that side. And then I also work with in the kind of consulting and mentorship space as well to help creatives and, like I said, coaches, educators, build their own kind of content strategy and their brand Sounds good.
Speaker 2:
What kind of? What kind of offers, then, do you have specifically? Are you doing like group coaching, membership, like what does it look like?
Speaker 3:
So I have the done for you side, which is align creative co, and we do. We have three main offers. So one is the monthly content retainer. One is we have a really exciting content quarterly almost VIP week where we’ll take all of your you know your content backlog and all of your brilliant ideas, we pull them out of your brain and we create a quarter’s worth of content for you. And then we also have a really fun session called a storyboard session. So essentially that is where we do all the strategy and then hand it over to you to execute. So that is on the done for you side. And then retreats are another offer. And then I do also have one-on-one hybrid group coaching program called sought after educator.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Which one of those makes up like the most revenue in your business. Or actually could you just rank all those like from highest to lowest as far as percentage revenue they make up?
Speaker 3:
Yeah. So I would say agency is definitely number one now and this has very much changed over the past few years. So a little bit of background is I did have I started out working specifically with hairstylists and then, as so often happens, the, the demand and the you know, the the backside of kind of what I was getting asked to do, and I had a lot of my peers approaching me for help with doing what I was doing, which was launching programs that served hairstylists to grow their Instagram and to attract clients. And so, as my peers started approaching me, more of that done for you work and building my team started to take over. And so, as it stands now, as I have just launched the consulting sought after educator program, I would say agency retreat and then education. Two years ago it was education agency, then retreat, so it has kind of changed a little bit.
Speaker 1:
Education agency retreat two years ago, to what has changed to now. When did you make the shift from hairstylist? No, you weren’t hairstylist. Were you ever just a hairstylist?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I was a hairstylist. So in 2020, that’s when I shut down my I actually my mom was a salon owner and then I went to hair school. I was done by the time I turned 18. So I was in the hair industry for 15 years and so this kind of funny how I got into what I’m doing now no-transcript weren’t getting results. They didn’t know exactly, like how to utilize the platform to grow their businesses and so, as the educator is saying, like I don’t really teach that, I was sitting there thinking I don’t relate to this at all. Like this is, this is something that I’ve I’ve thrived using. Like I’ve really grown my business. I went independent within 18 months. I was able to really grow my clientele and create a lot of demand for my services.
Speaker 3:
So two weeks later, when you know the world shut down I know you have your own story with that I kind of made the decision really quickly that you know the world shut down. I know you have your own story with that. I kind of made the decision really quickly that you know I I really wanted to get into education. For a long time I had worked on the sales side of the hair industry, so I’d I’d thought about this on multiple occasions and I just decided like this is, you know the time, this is. There’s a message for me here with this timing. It felt like a almost divine timing going to that class and then everything that happened, and so I actually handed in my notice not like to terminate my lease at the place that I was renting a chair at, and I decided to go full on into education and marketing, and that was kind of how I got started.
Speaker 1:
Nice. Given the timing, I hope they were going to let you out of your lease or do something anyway.
Speaker 3:
That was crazy yeah it was a crazy time and we did have to like there was the expectation to keep paying without being able to work, and so you know, that was that was a little bit of a consideration, but also it was more so the this is the time and also realizing, you know, after two weeks out of that environment I felt a lot better and I’d I’d already been really enjoying the marketing more than the service providing for a long time, and so it felt like an opportunity to kind of make that shift.
Speaker 1:
Okay, all right, you’re speaking so positively about a time when everything was up in the air and we well, we, but maybe everyone we had very little sense of direction. Like, where did you derive that sense of peace, calm and direction from?
Speaker 3:
You know it’s interesting because when I look back at it, I do have I mean, obviously, aside from all of the, you know, it was a hard time. It was a really stressful time. I personally had been going through a really dark time before that, and so for me it felt like a turning point, like we, you know I’ll I’ll give just like a little bit of background. Like my husband, I had gone through a secondary infertility journey, and so I was dealing with a lot of like depression. I was dealing with a lot of, you know, just really I would say, lack of purpose, like when you are so committed to the thing that I wanted, which was to grow our family right, and then we weren’t able to, the sense of like the loss of control and like the, the just darkness that I that I felt at that time.
Speaker 3:
I think that, really, when everything in the world like fell apart a little bit, I was almost it was a weird time, but I was almost able to find my purpose a little bit, find purpose in something new, find purpose in, you know, and and in a lot of ways that really lifted me out of what I had been going through. I’d also been kind of going through more of like a personal development journey and like really learning how to cope with all of the things that were out of my control and and so, yeah, I think that that’s where, for me, I was already going through such a difficult time that it just kind of felt like okay, like what’s next, almost, like you know, taking away that sense of almost artificial security. I think is what happened for a lot of us right.
Speaker 3:
Like we felt like there’s all the security, and then when that was no longer there, it almost freed me mentally to think about what do I actually want, what will make me happy, what will be the thing that I can make my impact in, and so that’s kind of, I think, what helped me get through that time. Okay.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, okay, wow. So then had you you you said you had already been doing your Instagram, or you felt like you, that was something that you already were thriving at. So had you already kind of had like this online thing going, or like, how did you start, like, oh, I’m just going to create this agency online, or like how did that kind of happen?
Speaker 3:
Yeah. So the agency is something that came a little bit later. That kind of grew organically, but at the very beginning, what happened was I started creating content for other hairstylists and I was like this is where I was kind of like this is how you can keep serving your clients, like even when you’re not able to be at the salon, how this is how you can. You know, because I had had that success growing my clientele, I was able to fill cancellations with an Instagram story, like a lot of things that looking back, I’m like, wow, like. But at the time it was just kind of what I was doing to grow my business. I had gotten really obsessed.
Speaker 3:
Back in like two 2015, 2016,. When I came back from maternity leave, I went back to a salon that had zero walk-in traffic. It was very different from when I got into the industry at 17 years old. Like the, the digital age transformed the beauty industry and so, you know, I started listening to things like Amy Porterfield’s podcast, jenna Kutcher’s podcast, being boss, like all of those you know, beginning digital marketing podcasts and started applying that to the hair industry because there were no hairstylist specific marketing podcasts at. Started applying that to the hair industry because there were no hairstylist specific marketing podcasts at the time, and so that was kind of, you know, four years before this all happened. That was kind of my intro, and once you start listening in the entrepreneurial space, I’m sure some of your listeners can relate to this. Like it starts to plant that, like what’s possible, like that seed Right, and so that was kind of already one of the things that was happening.
Speaker 3:
I also had kind of become the go-to person for a lot of my peers, like stylists you know to ask about okay, how are you doing this? How are you getting clients? Like and I had less than a thousand followers, like during when I built up 90% of my clientele. So it’s not like I had gotten into that influencer stage or anything, even it was just learning how to market my business. And so then, you know, when I made that transition, I started with I very much someone. Before I launched something, I want evidence, like I want to be able to troubleshoot it, make sure that it wasn’t like a fluke, quote unquote. I wanted to make sure these things were repeatable and that other people would also get results, and so I started doing one-on-one mentorship, which was like very, very low cost. It was, like you know.
Speaker 3:
I think I was charging like $40 an hour or something to to to didn’t last long, but that was kind of like I wanted to, I wanted to test it Right and and I this was like I didn’t know anything about the online space, like this was brand new. I was just doing what I, what I could do to like get through this crazy time. And then I also got started getting approached by like some brands and some, you know, educators and stuff like that to manage their social media. So, because I was in that like grassroots phase, I was like I just want to make, I just want to make money online. I just want to make it so that I don’t have to, you know, go back and so that I can really make something of this. And that’s the truth about how it started.
Speaker 3:
Very quickly, I signed up for masterminds, I took a lot of copywriting courses, which is still something that I kind of bring into my content creation today and organically, like after I launched my first program, which did really well, you know for me, like I was able to get, I think, like eight people registered into this group coaching program from Instagram stories Again, I had like 1500 followers at the time, and so that was kind of just where it started. And then, you know, my next launch was even better. And then the launch after that was my first five figure launch and, you know, doing 20 K in just a few, like it felt like you know it’s obviously a lot more work, but in a week I was like, oh my God, this is amazing, it’s huge yeah it felt huge, and so that was kind of where I and again in this process, my peers started being like how are you doing this, how is this structure happening?
Speaker 3:
Because in the beauty industry there’s a lot of educators, but it’s not like a lot of the online business space, Right? So that was kind of where the agency started. Is I? I just started getting asked and then that got busy so that I needed to bring on support to help me fulfill, and that’s just kind of how it started going, Wow.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. So I have a question, as, since we are Facebook and Instagram ads managers, my question is in any of this time did you ever use ads, or was it all just organic growth?
Speaker 3:
So predominantly organic, and I did a lot of like collaborations and things like that. So that was. I kind of built it and borrowed it predominantly. I did play around with some like webinar ads, though, so, and like challenge ads and things like that, but very, very low cost, like I think the most diverse one was like a thousand dollars on a launch. Okay, yeah, so predominantly organic.
Speaker 1:
Before I ask my next question do you want to share a little bit about this 2025 social pulse that you are very kindly offering to our audience?
Speaker 3:
Absolutely so. I you know with my work, when I first started supporting other people, instagram reels weren’t even a thing. Reels weren’t even a thing. So let’s give that a little context, because I think that we forget how much you know Instagram as a platform and social media as a platform has changed over the past five years.
Speaker 3:
So I have put together a training and essentially what it’s going to do is it’s going to help you take what was working for you, cause I think a lot of entrepreneurs can relate to the fact that what was working in 2023, it’s a lot harder to get traction now right, a lot harder. I’m going to talk in this training about ways that you can update your messaging to create more relevance now, as well as ways that you can kind of measure those results differently and ways that you can create a content strategy that’s going to give you the visibility, it’s going to give you the trust building and that nurture with your community and then also that’s going to lead to conversions, because I think that so often as entrepreneurs, we get really stuck in that visibility phase, which is vital. It’s very, very important. However, there’s more to it’s very, very important.
Speaker 3:
However, there’s more to it and there’s more pieces, and that’s why I say we help people build their brand through content, because there’s a lot of fringe benefits that people don’t think about and like, for example, for our clients, things like, you know, creating a course based off the feedback they were getting on specific types of content that they were able to have like a five-figure launch on the first one, just with a wait list because they were listening to their audience. So content like in a manner to get that feedback. Also, ways that we can leverage tools like ManyChat to not just have the conversation end at social media. Right, ideally, that’s where it begins, and you know, we want to really think about social media as a whole as a part of our marketing, not as the separate entity, which I think a lot of us do tend to think of it as so. And then also we’re going to talk a little bit more about how you can optimize your repurposed content, because I’ve seen a lot of ways that it’s not working.
Speaker 3:
And then you know we’ll talk about that in the next episode too, but yeah, that’s that’s really what it’s about. So this training is typically $47. You can. You can buy it on my website or you can go to aligncreativecocom. Slash art and, just for your listeners, I’m offering it for free so they can check that out thank you very much align creative cocom forward slash art grab that and the YouTube description below.
Speaker 1:
Okay, jodi, so when you were building your agency, was there ever a point you know, coming out of the pandemic now, looking for five years back was there ever a point where you were like is this working? Maybe I should go back to doing hair?
Speaker 3:
Oh, I’m sure there was multiple points. Maybe I should go back to doing here. Oh, I’m sure there was multiple points like none that lasted more than 24 hours.
Speaker 3:
But I think that, because you know it just, I feel like my purpose is so strong with this for multiple reasons. But there were definitely quite a few moments that were really felt sticky, because at the beginning I think really felt sticky because at the beginning I think revenue is always a big, and not just revenue, but profit is always like a big. It’s not, you know, it’s not as cushy right as it is later on. And so I remember a specific time where but it’s funny because all of those have led to like growth moments for me. I’m not sure if you, if you, can relate to that, but I think, like all of the things that were really tricky for me, looking back, I was like, oh, thank goodness that happened at the time, though it feels like the sky is falling.
Speaker 1:
Give us an example. Give us an example. I want to hear it.
Speaker 3:
So I found this mastermind that I wanted to join Right and it was like it was this launching mastermind because I I really went all in. I was like I’m going to treat this like a university reeducation, I’m going to invest in this. So I had like kind of looked at the numbers and it was, it was a big investment for me at the time. It was like, I think, $1,200 a month. It was a year commitment. That was a big chunk, especially kind of in those beginning phases.
Speaker 3:
But I was like I looked at it and I was like, okay, my clients, like you know, and it was. I was like I can make this work. It’ll be a little, you know, it’ll cut into my take home a little bit, but I can make it work. And so I. I again, I very much believe in the power of investing and so I took the leap. I hyped myself up for it because I needed to. That was more than double what I’d ever spent on my business before in year two. And the next day I looked at my Stripe account and I noticed that a payment had bounced from one of my clients.
Speaker 3:
And I was like, okay, this client was probably the most difficult person I’ve ever worked with also, and like it was very much like not a good relationship. I was like it had become not a good relationship. It was very much like scope creep, like all of the things. But I was, I was counting on this and I did have a 30 day cancellation policy and so, you know, I sent an email. This taught me a lot about what to you know deal with as well. So I sent an email and I got one back from their assistant saying, yeah, we’re actually not going to be moving forward Like this person’s, you know, going in a different direction, or they.
Speaker 3:
They decided to do it. There was some really weird thing like a couple like red flags leading up to this point, but basically they just they were just not going to honor the 30 day notice and they were just not going to be paying anymore, despite the fact that, like, a lot of the work for that next month was already done and that was within, I want to say, 48 hours of signing up for that mastermind, and their monthly like bill essentially was the exact same. So I was like, not only am I signing up for this mastermind, now I have lost this exact amount in revenue was like not only am I signing up for this mastermind, now I’ve lost this exact amount in revenue. And that was a moment where I was like it really, really like. Lots of tears, lots of like oh my goodness, lots of a little bit of like, you know, mad, like anger at myself for ignoring so many red flags was like the predominant feeling that I had.
Speaker 3:
So that was an example of like what am I going to do? Moment, because you know again, it’s like back in that, in that beginning phase where you know it’s it’s not as cushy, that kind of thing makes a huge difference. However, looking back it, freeing up from that particular client had that not happened, I likely would not have been able to execute at the same level that I was able to inside of that mastermind, and that is what led to that first $20,000 launch. And so the lesson for me was like okay, your capacity is massive and so, having that mental drain of that, that person that was so difficult to work with and took advantage, and and having that energy of like, oh, I need this person, I think, had that not happened, it would have held me back from from what ultimately was able to take place.
Speaker 2:
Right. Okay, we’ve all had those clients right when.
Speaker 3:
I won’t say any names right now, but luckily, that is the last client like that I have had since then, because I learned that it’s not just about you know, people who are willing to pay you, it’s about people who are aligned with you and that you can get great results from, and so I have not made a decision like that, since which you know we all need those lessons I feel like yeah exactly, and it’s like I don’t need your money that bad for my piece.
Speaker 1:
We’ll find somebody else and it’s exactly what you said people who are aligned with you that you can get good results for, because like we could get results for a wider range of people than that are aligned with that. When there’s not alignment, especially from certain types of special clients, the lovelier ones then it’s you’re. You might still get results, but it just I. I’ve been there.
Speaker 1:
It’s like you’re thinking about their account all day long and wondering if the email’s coming in and what’s going to be next, and it’s like but now, yeah, the scope creep, wow, so that alone could be its own episode, like scope creep, and how not to do that you shouldn’t even go there um, for me, it was that inner people pleaser too, Like, which is something that that’s been one of my biggest like challenges like outside of it is.
Speaker 3:
Like you know, I very much learned through entrepreneurship that I really cared what people think about me and and I I want everyone to think that I’m nice, and that’s actually been the biggest internal battle that I’ve had to overcome is you can be a good person and still stand up for yourself and have boundaries.
Speaker 2:
You seem nice to me. You do seem like a really nice person.
Speaker 1:
While we’re talking about boundaries, is there any way we can get on that retreat for free?
Speaker 3:
I love the shooting, the shot.
Speaker 2:
But speaking of retreats, I do just want to touch on, before we finish up this episode, on these international luxury retreats, like how did you start that? Or decide like, I’m just doing these retreats because that is also super appealing for me. I’m like that’s cool.
Speaker 1:
We’re looking at your Instagram stories now we love travel and stuff obviously.
Speaker 3:
So the retreats that kind of came about in a couple. It’s like I feel like there’s always when I think about how things came about, it’s like the moment that it happened, but then there’s always the groundwork. So the moment that it happened was I’ve been, I’ve been wanting to go to Italy since I was like I like 12 probably, like I have always, just always felt like I wanted to go there, so it’s been on a dream trip list. So when I started my business in 2022, I think, is when we yeah, so I started my business in 2020. In 2022, I think, is when we yeah, so I started my business in 2020.
Speaker 3:
In 2022, I finally was able to, like, take my family on a trip to Italy, and so I was so excited and we went for two weeks and towards the end of the trip, this was also the first time I’d taken time off. So I had a team that I was able to completely take that two weeks off, aside from a little bit of check-in. So I had a team that I was able to completely take that two weeks off, aside from a little bit of check-in. So I was with my family, had this amazing trip, my husband and my son. One day when we were in Sermione in the North, they had gone out to go fishing and find like a fishing store to try and go fishing at the lake and I was sitting on the balcony and I was like reading the big leap. I remember the book I was reading and I was drinking cappuccino and I started, like you know, journaling and I just wrote down this idea. I was like what do I want things to look like next year? And I was like I want to bring people here because I had gotten so much clarity from that trip and getting out of my day-to-day and being able to, like you know, take some time away from the business, that I was just thinking about how I needed to bring my peers here. I needed to bring other people here to get out of their day-to-day so that they could kind of get this clarity and this, you know, this fresh mindset that I had experienced on this trip.
Speaker 3:
And so this kind of led up to this, also because I had been talking to several of my peers looking at the retreats that were available and the predominant thing there was kind of one of two issues with a lot of them, because I was looking for a retreat to attend. One, it was so much information in such a short space of time, like almost like that they were coming home and they were inspired, but then they weren’t really doing anything with it because it was kind of like information overload. Or two, it was more of just kind of like a wellness retreat. Both of these things have their place. So I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with either of those approaches, but I kind of had a vision for something different, where I wanted to go deep instead of wide and I wanted to really get a transformative kind of element to the retreat.
Speaker 3:
So I went to my friend’s house talking about the trip after and she’s a photographer, she’d been my brand photographer for years and as I was leaving I kind of just like word vomited, like I have this idea, I think we should host retreats, like I think we should partner on this. And she’s like what? And I was like, okay, I have to go because I have to pick up Mason from school. But we got on the phone while I was driving home and we kind of mapped out this idea and I was like, okay, give me 24 hours, I’m going to float this to a few people. I’m going to see if we can get some deposits, and then let’s do this.
Speaker 2:
Wow.
Speaker 3:
So I sent out five DMs to my existing clients and I think within 48 hours I had two panfills and two retreats, or in two deposits for this retreat.
Speaker 3:
And so yeah, so it was just creating what was needed and I just looked at it and I was like this is what people need, this is what people want. It was very much aligned with what I taught, anyway, what I did with my existing clients just taking it to the next level and going deeper. So that’s how they were born. And then our second one, once we launched it publicly, that sold out. This one in 2025 has sold out. It really, I think, just came from a place of creating something that people wanted wow, do you do one a year, two a year?
Speaker 3:
we did two. So we did one in 2023, two in 2024, one this year because I have been in a little bit of a rebuild, and then we are hoping to go back to two in 2026. So stay tuned because, I’ll be coming soon.
Speaker 1:
Two retreats a year, that’s almost like a full-time business. That’s a lot, yeah.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, it definitely is. Wow. I do have a business partner, which is amazing because we’re able to like I don’t think I could do it a hundred percent myself if it was the two, but yeah, we I do have a an incredible business partner who we’re very much have opposing strengths, and so that’s been able to work really beautifully.
Speaker 1:
Opposing strengths.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
I like that. A wise man. A wise man Like opposing thumbs, but better. Yeah, this is a new inside joke.
Speaker 1:
I guess we just watched this cute movie called Harold and the Purple Crayon. Have you seen that?
Speaker 3:
No, I haven’t, it’s cute.
Speaker 1:
It’s definitely. We liked it. I would say it’s worth I’ll check it out. It’s worth a watch. Is it on?
Speaker 2:
Netflix.
Speaker 1:
No.
Speaker 2:
Probably well in the States it’s supposed to be. I think for us it wasn’t working.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, because we’re in Mexico and so our Netflix is different and we had to get it on Apple. But it was a cute movie. And there’s this porcupine who all of a sudden became a human and got opposing thumbs and I won’t spoil it for you, but it’s pretty cute.
Speaker 3:
Okay, I’ll check that out.
Speaker 1:
Well, we’re going to jump into the next episode what’s one thing you would like to leave the listener with before they click down in the show notes if they’re still listening on audio only and go to the next episode, where we talk about repurposing content to Instagram and what’s working best to do that now versus creating content natively for Instagram.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, so I would just leave. Just you know, I think, when it comes to the entrepreneurship journey, I feel like we need to listen to ourselves and trust ourselves a lot more than all the outside sources. And this is really going to lead into our conversation. You know, get the knowledge, get the information. You know, get all the training that you need. But, at the end of the day, we already have a lot of what we need inside of us. And the reason that you started your business the reason that you started you know what it is that you’re doing is because you have something unique to offer. Bring that into your business, trust yourself and bring that into your content. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1:
I like it, it’s good. Dear listener, until you see us in the next episode or hear from us, take care. Be blessed, jodi. Thank you for being here, by the way.
Speaker 2:
Thank you, jodi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:
We’ll see you in the next one.
Speaker 2:
We’ll see you in the next one Bye, bye.
